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Peoples Open Meeting - Sept. 26, 2017

= attendees = 
 * Jehan -  been researching chimney mounts
 * Mai - Worked for EFF for 5 years on policy & copyright issues. Sad couldn't make it to BYOI.. Good at organizing, talking to potential partners etc
 * Sierk - spends time coding UIs, sent first monthly newsletter! added newsletter signup form to the bottom of each page in peoplesopen.net
 * Lesley - ave been away for a little bit, want's to catch up, distributed door flyers in Berkeley Hills
 * Keo - from france, wants to start mesh
 * Grant -  did things for byoi, attempted node mount on sunday
 * Scott -  did cooking for byoi, took over byoi station, working on circuitboard for disaster radio
 * Carl - software developer, mostly mobile apps.  lives near Hayward
 * Eve - retired sys admin, carried stuff to roof 
 * Max - also member of nonprofit ISP that Keo mentioned
 * Will - lives nearby, has node, helping with node mount
 * Nic - helping out with enclosure design
* Jenny - helped out with byoi, negotiated space issues, been working on 501c3 application
* Robb - helped out with A/V at byoi, likes hardware, interested in node mounting & hardware side of disasterradio
* Tom - likes configuring nodes, controbited to previous byoi
*Jorrit - made signs for byoi, found interesting way of copying fonts from computer screen, curious about use cases for mesh/disaster_radio
* Tom2 - didn't design any logos, did co-found OMI (Open Mechanics Institute)
* Troy - Omni-brarian, meta lingistic system, getting a holographic system together

= updates =
* Grant (really marc, but Grant got the ball rolling) set up an etherpad instance! at pad.peoplesopen.net - link to old notes: https://pad.riseup.net/p/peoplesopen_agenda

== node mount == 
https://sudoroom.org/wiki/Mesh/NodeMounts
* Jehan - ordered chimney straps Skywalker Signature Chimney Mounts w/Steel Straps
* LMI location at 9th & University Way. Offer to gigabit link to Dav's for $1800-3000/month (!!)
* Sierk: Can bounce from SF -> Dav ->i
* Jorrit: theme is that we're relying on donations of bandiwdth, if we provide the equipment?
** - for example, would be willing to pay for connection if didn't have to pay for personal internet
** jehan: if we have bandwidth and we build out an airfiber on his roof, then add on some point to multipoint equipment
*** jorrit: makes sense to own the equipment, get donated bandwidth, and avoid paying $1000+/month
**** jenny: think we should talk to that location. did we see if we had a signal to lynn & jim's? (A: No, power issues at mount location)
**** scott: ask the coops to pool in on a connection and get bandwidth from them
* scott: pay people's equipment costs - upgrading bandwidth is minimal in $$
** jehan: need to focus on building out the actual mesh network
*** grant: ...need to sell the idea...
* scott: he rents this house, putting a huge mast is an issue. lothlorian is across the street. they have a treehouse.
* mai: not understanding why not go with the coop members, who seem better locations, than this more expensive option?
** jenny: coop members used to attend meetings... issue seemed to be that coop rooftops were not in clear LOS to LMI location
*** jehan: sudo didn't start raising funds significantly until we decided to take the plunge on the available room
**** mai: would need to fundraise
* robb: lmi and sonic allow sharing in their TOS - and Sonic has cheap fiber rolling out in SF

== hurricane electric ==
Jehan has been in contact with James Martin, has rack at hurrican electric, free or $75 a month, they will not shut us down for DMCA takedown requests

== althea ==
fixing routers from byoi, and worked spreadsheet for incentived mesh

== cuba ==
Mai: 
* Mai is going to Cuba in November for tech solidarity, free software foundation, EFF peoples, looking at it as not just teaching but, cross cultural exchange,
* Internet is spotty in Cuba, you can get the internet on a cdrom with downloads of what you want to see. 
* Wants to see if there is potential for cross border connection

*Tom - various open source computer cafes across Havana, let visitors and tourists use this
* WIll - was there two years ago, 6 wifi hotspots, 5 dollars/minute. 
*Robb, talked to someone who when down there with mesh routers, kids liked it for gaming.
*Jenny - piping stream of concert out to people in parking lot
*Jehan - why is internet not available there?
*Will - it's a politcal thing...wifi hotspots are mostly at western hotels
*Jorrit - 1. internet in a box, 3 nodes preconfigured to mesh with one another, maybe Mai could take equipment
*Mai - worried about seeming like a spy
* Jorrit -  2.  data MULE! , could physically carry around your data
* Nic - went 2 months ago, its now 2 dollars/min, Cuba is paranoid about western propaganda
* Sierk - maybe Mai could report back at the next byoi
* Jenny - Mai, are you doing participatory action research - actually implementing a network down there? or more surveying the landscape?
** Mai - going as jorunalist, organizing confernce
* sierk: sudoroom has a connection to computer distribution project in cuba (daniel? ed?)
* Jorrit - interesting that they do it already, propaganda is real!
 * Mai - we have a host of different problems for why we haven't done it yet
* Nic: Documentary on internet in Cuba: https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=692&v=sqxzYGR8qh4

== byoi ==
Sierk - thanks scott for food
jenny: and grant for stickers & buttons! *proceeds to grab cashbox w/ stickers & drops it all over the floor. loudly* 

== logo contest / website ==


== mozilla / nsf grant ==
* November 2017 submission deadline for Design
* January 2018  - announcment of first stage winners announcement
* Jun 2018 - workin prototype submissions
* scott: meetup about use cases 
* jenny: suggests forming a finance committee
** sierk: thinks is a good idea to create a finance committee
*** mai: is not so simple as crunching the numbers. having a process in place is key, before you get the money. also, mozilla will want to see that you're working with other groups
**** nic: marc was hoping to pair up with Institute for the Future and get expert input on variety of topics. 
***** scott: can contact Nerd for Naturewith
* lesley: consider how we can avoid paying money to private companies eg Hurrican Electric, LMI
* grant: DisasterRadio pairing with Secure Scuttlebutt.. 
** sierk: might also be some groups inside the omni interested in collaborating eg Community Democracy Project

== 1023 app =
* Jenny - if anyone wants to hack on the language for the app?
* 400 dollar fee for submitting application,
Grant - are you looking for contributions
Jenny - looking for bitcoin and figuring how much we need to raise. does not want to move anything from sudomesh bank account
Mai - how are decisions made
Jenny - they are executed through consensus unless there are legal concerns, then it comes down to the board of directors
* Jehan - issue with bylaws, thought sudomesh was the networking group and peoplesopen is the network
* Eve - has previously been confused about this distoincition
* Jorrit - peoplesopen is a thing you use, sudomesh is a group that provides support, hopes to get other groups involved
* Jenny - this model was inspired by wlan_slovenja as they expanded from city -> international

= action items =
* research ??? - jehan
* conflict of interest policy - Mozilla grant we are applying for - deadline in november
*Nic - Someone please help upload this brochure to the Wiki, I have an 8mb limit and the image doesn't compress well. Thanks!  https://tmi.li/index.php/s/q0B3WwXQZpnch0Z - jenny just increased upload size to 20MB, plz tste
* research proper content management system - grant ;)

= breakout groups =
* sever & dremel & wine - jehan / grant
* intro to new folks - jorrit / will
* DisasterRadio - grant / robb / scott / nic